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Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Phil Rosenthal)
Wed Jul 23 13:09:15 2014

X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Phil Rosenthal <pr@isprime.com>
In-Reply-To: <9D5095C2-FC7B-4C69-9186-34ADB06DF93D@latency.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:09:05 -0400
To: Adam Rothschild <asr@latency.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org

With this war of blog posts =97 perhaps Netflix should ask this =
question:

Who can we buy transit from who has sufficient peering capacity to reach =
Comcast=92s and Verizon=92s customers?

-P

On Jul 23, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Adam Rothschild <asr@latency.net> wrote:

> I think the confusion by Jay and others is that there is a plethora of =
commercial options available for sending traffic to Comcast or Verizon, =
at scale and absent congestion.  I contend that there is not.
>=20
> I, too, have found Netflix highly responsive and professional, as a =
peering partner...
>=20
> $0.02,
> -a
>=20
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Bob Evans <bob@FiberInternetCenter.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> Most likely Netflix writes policies to filter known cogent conflict
>> peers...Chances are they use cogent to reach the cogent customer base =
and
>> other peers.  I know from experience that peering directly with =
Netflix
>> works very well....they don't depend heavily on transit delivery if =
direct
>> peering is possible.
>>=20
>> Thank You
>> Bob Evans
>> CTO
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>> If I were Netflix, why would I buy all my transit from Cogent[1], =
given
>>>> Cogent's propensity for getting into peering fights with people
>>>> *already*,
>>>> even before *I* start sending them 1000:1 asymmetric outbound =
traffic?
>>>=20
>>> Perhaps Netflix expect this to be an ongoing problem with moree ISPs
>>> asking them to pay to deliver (following Bretts lead ;-), so with =
their
>>> previous transits experience why would they continue to buy from =
pussies?
>>>=20
>>>> So why would Cogent offer Netflix a helluva deal?
>>>=20
>>> Previous events have shown Cognet only use live rounds, so why would =
they
>>> not take the opportunity to get a bigger gun?
>>>=20
>>> Mutually assured domination. Perhaps one will buy the other =
sometime.
>>>=20
>>> brandon
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20

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