[173023] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hugo Slabbert)
Mon Jul 14 22:46:25 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:46:12 -0700
From: Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com>
To: Brett Glass <nanog@brettglass.com>
In-Reply-To: <201407142345.RAA24644@mail.lariat.net>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
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Hi Brett,
>Why don't you simply ask me?=20
I can only speak for myself, but I thought that's kind of what I and others=
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were doing in replying to your messages, stating either support or=20
counterpoints, and asking questions (?). With this being a list and your (=
as=20
of recently) being a member of the list, my assumption (and I'm betting=20
others') is that it's a conversation and in our replies, you may be incline=
d to=20
respond or you may not.
>There have been a huge number of incorrect, mostly speculative assertions =
made=20
>about my business in this thread, but I simply don't have time to correct =
all=20
>of them (I have a business to run and customers to help).
And that's fine; you're under zero obligation to anyone on the list. That=
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said: finding radio silence, chances are the conversation will carry on and=
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we're left to guessing/theorizing/extrapolating.
When I said "I really don't understand the line of reasoning..." I wasn't b=
eing=20
flippant. I just know how things look from my own experience; I don't know=
the=20
full details of your business and so I honestly don't know what led to your=
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take on the topic. Your experience dealing with Netflix has obviously been=
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more negative than mine, and I don't fully get why that is.
The prevailing trend seems to be that Netflix generally doesn't have troubl=
e=20
getting content to access providers' door steps, with several options for=
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providers on how to receive that content that covers different traffic leve=
ls. =20
In the same way as you don't owe them any special treatment, though, I don'=
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see how they owe you (or any of us) special treatment either.
But, like I said: I don't know the details of your business or the specifi=
cs=20
of how this plays out for you, but I am eager to hear it. More information=
is=20
helpful, and if we only ever hear from people with the same view/experience=
,=20
we're not very likely to get the whole picture...
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Hugo=20
On Mon 2014-Jul-14 17:45:56 -0600, Brett Glass <nanog@brettglass.com> wrote:
>At 02:42 PM 7/14/2014, George Herbert wrote:
>
>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com> wr=
ote:
>>>
>>> Brett's concerns seem to center around his
>>> ability to be cost-competitive with the big
>>> guys in his area...which implies there *are*
>>> big guys in his area to have to compete with.
>>
>>He 's running wireless links, from web and prior info as I recall. =20
>>His key business seems to be outside the cable tv / DSL wire loop=20
>>ranges from wire centers. The bigger services seem to have fiber=20
>>into Laramie, and Brett seems to have fiber to that Denver exchange=20
>>pointlet .
>>
>>Why he's not getting fiber to a bigger exchange point or better=20
>>transit is unclear.
>
>Why don't you simply ask me? There have been a huge number of=20
>incorrect, mostly speculative assertions made about my business in=20
>this thread, but I simply don't have time to correct all of them (I=20
>have a business to run and customers to help).
>
>--Brett Glass
>
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