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RE: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Hofstee)
Thu Jul 3 03:29:46 2014
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From: David Hofstee <david@mailplus.nl>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 09:30:07 +0200
In-Reply-To: <53B415EA.1000809@isoc.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about ke=
eping records up to date and relevant. See below.=20
Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject).=
Maybe they need a push with a TerexRH400.
David Hofstee
Deliverability Management
MailPlus B.V. Netherlands (ESP)
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Hi Frederik,
Who has an interest in a clean database? The sloppy Org or Ripe? The answer=
is Ripe, therefore it should also spend energy [via Ripe Ncc] in (making s=
ure that Orgs are) keeping it clean.
Kids do not grow up themselves, it requires an active process. Organisation=
s are not much different.
David
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Van: Fredrik Widell [mailto:fredrik@resilans.se]=20
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 maart 2013 10:37
Aan: MailPlus| David Hofstee
CC: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Onderwerp: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Reporting Issues
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, MailPlus| David Hofstee wrote:
Well, that is probably more a sign of a sloppy organisation, it is up to th=
e LIR to keep the ripedb up to date, this is not the role of RIPE. You prob=
ably dont expect RIPE to keep track of your old DNS-entrys and give you a p=
hone-call if it seems that a customer-name is wrong do you?
> Hi Frederik,
>
> I am such a person (DH3195-RIPE). I entered my email a long time ago. Unl=
ike passwords that expire and accounts that get locked when not used, this =
vital contact info is never re-validated. We never get mail that says: "Rip=
e wants to confirm that you are still having Role X in your organisation. C=
lick here to confirm.". A full-inbox bounce could trigger a phone call. Etc=
. Ripe should charge money for not keeping records up to date.
>
> In my (ESP) world, an email address that has not been used by the list-ow=
ner for over a year is a risk for a spam trap ;-).
>
> Bye,
>
> David
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Van: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] Namens Andrei Robachevsky
Verzonden: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 4:24 PM
Aan: NANOG
Onderwerp: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto
Colleagues,
A small group of network operators has been working on defining a minimal, =
but feasible package of recommended measures that, if deployed on a wide sc=
ale, could result in visible improvements to the security and resilience of=
the global routing system.
Many operators are ahead of the curve and already implement much more than =
the proposed recommendations. But we believe that gathering support for the=
se relatively small steps could pave the road to more significant actions o=
n a global scale.
We called this set of recommendations a Routing Resilience Manifesto - you =
can find a draft document here: https://www.routingmanifesto.org/.
This initial version of the Manifesto was drafted by a small group, but we =
need a wider community review, your feedback, and, ultimately, your support=
to make this initiative fly. It was already presented at several venues, l=
ike RIPE and NANOG, and now we open it for a more detailed review. Please n=
ote that this is very much a work in progress.
Please review the document and provide your feedback and text suggestions o=
nline or via routingmanifesto@isoc.org by 31 August 2014.
Regards,
Andrei Robachevsky
Internet Society
