[171841] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Blake Dunlap)
Thu May 15 13:22:43 2014
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From: Blake Dunlap <ikiris@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:12:19 -0500
To: "McElearney, Kevin" <Kevin_McElearney@cable.comcast.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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And the "unbalanced" peers / transit?
-Blake
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM, McElearney, Kevin
<Kevin_McElearney@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
> This is a smart group. If if that was true I think every internet site / =
service one visits from home would be a negatively impacted. That is not t=
he case
>
> As I said before, Comcast also has over 40 balanced peers with plenty of =
capacity. Wholesale $$ are very small, highly competitive and only "skin i=
n the game" to promote efficiencies
>
> - Kevin
>
>
>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:01 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrot=
e:
>>
>>
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, McElearney, Kevin <Kevin_McElearney@cable=
.comcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no gaming on measurements and disputes are isolated and tempor=
ary with issues not unique over the history of the internet. I think all t=
he same rhetorical quotes continue to be reused
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> in the past most issues were transient for a few months as both sides go=
t complaints, but while at RIPE earlier this week someone commented to me: =
there's no one provider you can buy access from to get a packet-loss free c=
onnection to all their other business partners/customers. This hurts the e=
ntire marketplace when there is persistent congestion.
>>
>> Some of these issues are related to (as Craig called them) "Hypergiants"=
(OTT) but others are due to providers having poor capital models so they d=
on't have "budget" for upgrading unless someone pays for that upgrade, vs s=
eeing their existing customer base as that source for the capital.
>>
>> As an engineer, I'm hopeful that those responsible for budgeting will do=
the right thing. As a greedy capitalist, please pay me more $$$. It does=
feel a bit like tic-tac-toe with zero players in wargames though, the only=
way to win is to not play [games].
>>
>> - Jared
>>
