[169947] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Tinka)
Fri Mar 21 12:21:58 2014
From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu>
To: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:21:20 +0200
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On Friday, March 21, 2014 05:59:54 PM Naslund, Steve wrote:
> So, as far as the government or Wall Street funding the
> build out of the commercial Internet, that is not what
> happened.
Lots of terrestrial and submarine optical fibre was built in=20
the late 90's, and much of it has either gone unused until=20
now, or saw lots of M&A's as a result of the bust that left=20
hundreds-of-millions of dollars in investment with just a=20
few cents on the dollar, over night.
Many of those cable systems go by other names you may know=20
today.
The Internet isn't one thing.
> I see no reason why the US model would not work in any
> market economy. It is a simple matter of supply and
> demand. If your economy cannot afford the
> infrastructure or the people have no money to pay for
> services, you are going to have a problem. There is a
> huge problem in that people think GOVERNMENT
> FUNDED=3DFREE, it does not and in most cases is more
> expensive than the commercial alternatives since there
> is no motivation to be efficient.
No one said they wanted anything free. Everyone knows free=20
Internet only exists at Starbucks and your next Internet=20
communit conference - and even that is not always reliable.
In Africa and parts of Asia, supply and demand is equally=20
rife. In fact, in some cases, supply outstrips demand. We=20
could get into a lot of reasons why supply won't reach out=20
to demand, but I'd be digressing.
Suffice it to say, while over-supply may be present, it's in=20
the hands of the few who all concert (mostly unknowingly) to=20
keep prices high. As you know, no one will invest in=20
something for a 20-year return. But by the same token, fibre=20
lives for a long while; trying to recoup your investment in=20
six months is not going to help anyone (except open up=20
competition against you, the one who probably went in=20
first).
The need for "neutral" infrastructure which is reasonably=20
and well commercially run is likely a solution to better=20
pricing with professional quality, or the knife that butters=20
the price decline wheat.
> In that case a hybrid approach like I used in helping
> schools in the Philippines will work better. We used
> government funding and private grants to provide high
> speed internet to rural schools and we did it by buying
> commercial available wireless and cable services. This
> helps the people and also helps grow the communications
> industry there. The government does nothing but pay the
> bills (and they rarely even do that right).
And I do agree that a hybrid approach with a neutral fibre=20
backbone is what is lacking with these national projects.
The governments building these backbones know little about=20
how the Internet really works (which includes DNS, ICANN,=20
and that free things don't work :-). What is needed is clue=20
going into these projects that help turn the national=20
project into a well-run, commercial businesses that looks=20
after itself, but also fufills the goal of ubiquitous=20
connectivity.
The hurdle isn't running the network. The hurdle is getting=20
the fibre into the ground - and that is a monumentous=20
hurdle. Running the network is where it all falls apart if=20
unchecked.
Mark.
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