[168490] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Mon Jan 27 11:45:22 2014
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <06DCB8F8-A41F-4860-B638-66A8646EB9FF@virtualized.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:44:46 -0500
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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> [...] particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who =
bother to participate in the ARIN public policy processes
I love this part.
"I was told a billion times where and how to participate in the policy =
debate - to the point where many people complain they are being told too =
many times - yet still did not 'bother' to participate. And now I am =
going to bitch and moan about the policy because, well, OTHER PEOPLE =
WROTE IT WITHOUT MY INPUT."
Whot-EVA.
ARIN is community owned & operated. You don't like it, fine, but don't =
complain when policies are turned out that you don't like if you don't =
even 'bother' to participate.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
On Jan 26, 2014, at 20:26 , David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder what will change (if anything) when ARIN runs out of IPv4 =
space.
>> The market in used IPv4 space will come out from the shadows,
>=20
> It mostly has already done so in the APNIC and RIPE regions out of =
necessity.
>=20
>> and we'll see endless arguments between
>> buyers of IPv4 space and ARIN, when ARIN refuses the updates to the
>> address registry.
>=20
> This would be "bad". I can think of few more effective ways of =
destroying the RIR system than by refusing to update the address =
registry. IMHO, the primary function of the Registries is to, you know, =
register. Not act as policy police, particularly of policies defined by =
a handful of folks who bother to participate in the ARIN public policy =
processes.
>=20
>> I don't see any reason for the people who run defaultless routers all =
over the world to change the /24 rule. =20
>=20
> So IIUC, the theory goes that ISPs will be encouraged by their =
customers (upon pain of those customers becoming former customers) to =
announce their long prefixes, even though the ISPs will say "but nobody =
will listen". However, some ISPs _do_ listen (or rather, _don't_ =
filter) so the long prefix customers will get partial (i.e., worse than =
normal) reachability. Said customers will then whine at their ISPs =
saying "fix it!" and said ISPs will go to their peers and grovel, =
perhaps offering the Faustian bargain of "I'll accept yours if you =
accept mine and our respective customers will stop whining at us about =
each other". And then the apocalypse occurs. Or something like that.
>=20
> Regards,
> -drc
>=20
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