[165580] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (joel jaeggli)
Mon Sep 9 14:30:05 2013
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:29:34 -0700
From: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
To: Jason Lixfeld <jason@lixfeld.ca>, Derek Andrew <Derek.Andrew@usask.ca>
In-Reply-To: <FC6C1058-F120-4532-ABBB-BFDAB63F66D7@lixfeld.ca>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 9/9/13 7:43 AM, Jason Lixfeld wrote:
> That notwithstanding, it's stupid to send traffic to/from one of the
> large $your_region/country incumbents via $not_your_region/country.
> It's just not good Internet.
yyz-yvr is faster via the united states. physics doesn't respect
poltical boundries.
You make enough money already. Be a
> good netizen. It pays more in the long run and that's all you're
> really after for your shareholders anyway, right?
>
> On 2013-09-08, at 11:54 AM, Derek Andrew <Derek.Andrew@usask.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> The topic of Canadian network sovereignty has been part of the
>> Canadian conscience since the failure of CANNET back in the 1970s.
>>
>> Canadians citizens, on Canadian soil, already supply feeds directly
>> to the NSA. Rerouting Internet traffic would make no difference.
>>
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>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Paul Ferguson
>> <fergdawgster@mykolab.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A Canadian ISP colleague of mine suggested that the NANOG
>>> constituency might be interested in this, given some recent
>>> 'revelations', so I forward it here for you perusal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Preliminary analysis of more than 25,000 traceroutes reveals a
>>> phenomenon we call ‘boomerang routing’ whereby
>>> Canadian-to-Canadian internet transmissions are routinely routed
>>> through the United States. Canadian originated transmissions that
>>> travel to a Canadian destination via a U.S. switching centre or
>>> carrier are subject to U.S. law - including the USA Patriot Act
>>> and FISAA. As a result, these transmissions expose Canadians to
>>> potential U.S. surveillance activities – a violation of Canadian
>>> network sovereignty."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/media_law_prof_blog/2013/09/routing-internet-transmission-across-the-canada-us-border-and-us-surveillance-activities.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
Cheers,
>>>
>>> - ferg
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Paul Ferguson Vice President, Threat Intelligence Internet
>>> Identity, Tacoma, Washington USA IID --> "Connect and
>>> Collaborate" --> www.internetidentity.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- Copyright 2013 Derek Andrew (excluding quotations)
>>
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>>
>> Typed but not read.
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