[165575] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail))
Mon Sep 9 11:23:04 2013
In-Reply-To: <FC6C1058-F120-4532-ABBB-BFDAB63F66D7@lixfeld.ca>
From: "Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail)" <allenmckinleykitchen@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:22:42 -0400
To: Jason Lixfeld <jason@lixfeld.ca>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I'm confident that someone else may point this out, but I feel this is impor=
tant enough to weigh in on .. Respectfully, I must disagree with any philoso=
phy that perpetuates the archaic concept of political boundaries in the cont=
ext of information flow.=20
Calling it "stupid" to send traffic on any particular route because that rou=
te crosses political boundaries reflects a surrender to an old way of though=
t. While I can agree that the fact of crossing political boundaries introduc=
es a very unwelcome artifact of exposing that traffic to adverse political e=
ffects, that doesn't mean that the desirable response is one of returning to=
nationalistic silos. Instead, the way forward is to protect the traffic rat=
her than the boundaries.=20
Due to political realities, that may indeed mean that a intra-national backu=
p path is necessary. But to my mind, what's "just not good Internet" is the a=
rtificial restriction of traffic to solely intra-national primary paths. Tha=
t mindset reflects a territoriality that's not our friend; I still dream of a=
fully interconnected world.=20
So, I respectfully suggest that we work on fixing the problems and vulnerabi=
lities that arise from the interconnectedness rather than hunkering down and=
fragmenting / forking. Yes, these are shameful and terrible problems that h=
ave come to our attention right now; still, we can move forward better toget=
her than apart, don't you think?
..Allen
On Sep 9, 2013, at 10:43, Jason Lixfeld <jason@lixfeld.ca> wrote:
> That notwithstanding, it's stupid to send traffic to/from one of the large=
$your_region/country incumbents via $not_your_region/country. It's just no=
t good Internet. You make enough money already. Be a good netizen. It pay=
s more in the long run and that's all you're really after for your sharehold=
ers anyway, right?
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> On 2013-09-08, at 11:54 AM, Derek Andrew <Derek.Andrew@usask.ca> wrote:
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>> The topic of Canadian network sovereignty has been part of the Canadian
>> conscience since the failure of CANNET back in the 1970s.
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>> Canadians citizens, on Canadian soil, already supply feeds directly to th=
e
>> NSA. Rerouting Internet traffic would make no difference.
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>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com>w=
rote:
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>>> A Canadian ISP colleague of mine suggested that the NANOG constituency
>>> might be interested in this, given some recent 'revelations', so I
>>> forward it here for you perusal.
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>>> "Preliminary analysis of more than 25,000 traceroutes reveals a
>>> phenomenon we call =E2=80=98boomerang routing=E2=80=99 whereby Canadian-=
to-Canadian
>>> internet transmissions are routinely routed through the United States.
>>> Canadian originated transmissions that travel to a Canadian destination
>>> via a U.S. switching centre or carrier are subject to U.S. law -
>>> including the USA Patriot Act and FISAA. As a result, these
>>> transmissions expose Canadians to potential U.S. surveillance activities=
>>> =E2=80=93 a violation of Canadian network sovereignty."
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>>> http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/media_law_prof_blog/2013/09/routing-int=
ernet-transmission-across-the-canada-us-border-and-us-surveillance-activitie=
s.html
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>>> Cheers,
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>>> - ferg
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>>> --
>>> Paul Ferguson
>>> Vice President, Threat Intelligence
>>> Internet Identity, Tacoma, Washington USA
>>> IID --> "Connect and Collaborate" --> www.internetidentity.com
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>> Copyright 2013 Derek Andrew (excluding quotations)
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>> +1 306 966 4808
>> Information and Communications Technology
>> University of Saskatchewan
>> Peterson 120; 54 Innovation Boulevard
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>> Typed but not read.
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