[164697] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Petach)
Sun Jul 28 03:46:47 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAAAwwbX7NV9a=WMcK=2ncXwCo=7E3nq6h3X1VVo9z_EnJtpXpA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:46:35 -0700
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com>
To: Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com>
Cc: North American Networking and Offtopic Gripes List <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/13, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:18:52 -0500, Jimmy Hess said:
> > I have to admit that this is the biggest can-o-worms suggestion > I've
> seen all week.
> > (Hint: our org chart says I work in our Network Storage and Backup
> > group - the lurker in the next cubicle does our abuse@ handling but
>
> My implication was not that ORG charts or person's actual job should
> be looked at. By vetted; I meant the person was subject to a
> background check, and also proved that they have technical knowledge.
>
> That's about "reducing noise" by providing contacts that can only be
> accessed by people who proved they knew well enough what they were
> doing, to avoid submitting "false outage reports"; for example,
> so they wouldn't be the people complaining to the hosting
> provider's IP technical contact about some random customer web
> server spitting out 404 pages..
>
> In other words --- they would have passed a knowledge proof, showing
> they deserve the right to bypass "Level 1 call center drones".
>
>
> E.g. to gain enhanced access in a world with 'an additional level of
> whois access'
> Step 1...
> 1. Submit an application with a nominal fee, explain to the RIR
> your periodic use of WHOIS, and how you would benefit from seeing
> 'special contacts' data; also including signed NDA regarding
> 'enhanced' extra contact information.
>
> 2. Pay ongoing fees for criminal/spammer background checks, with
> results forwarded to the RIR.
>
> 3. Show up at a RIR meeting, and sign the guest list -- or
> otherwise, get other members of the community to vouch for your
> character and technical capability, or, as an alternative show
> technical credentials in the form of an earned professional level
> networking industry certification requiring a performance-based lab
> assessment with advanced network troubleshooting of Layer 1 through 4
> on real equipment.
>
If you're going to *that* level of validation,
just join INOC-DBA and be done with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INOC-DBA
Matt
> Those were some examples.
>
> I didn't mean to imply "Ask to see companies' org charts, try to
> untangle the mess for every AS, and examine job descriptions"
>
>
> --
> -JH
>
>
