[164669] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Larry Stites)
Fri Jul 26 15:02:09 2013
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry Stites <ncnet@sbcglobal.net>
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>,
"Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <66C5D0E1-C273-4E06-8350-A0080338A362@virtualized.org>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Reply-To: Larry Stites <ncnet@sbcglobal.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in crea=
ting the 'magic lamp' and the cork which held the marketing Jeanie inside. =
The same operators who took the cork out and rubbed the 'magic lamp'... The=
Jeanie is now out of the bottle and you all are complaining about it, all =
the while creating new magic, more lamps and more Jeanie's... Go figure. NA=
NOG complaining about being harassed by the marketing technologies it has c=
reated...=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: David Conr=
ad <drc@virtualized.org>=0A>To: Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> =0A>=
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> =0A>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:40 AM=
=0A>Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads=0A> =0A>=0A>Patrick,=0A>=0A>On Jul 26=
, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> wrote:=0A>>> Err=
. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things at=
ICANN, but the mechanisms are ... different and much slower (since it invo=
lves getting consensus in a multi-stakeholder environment).=0A>> =0A>> Sure=
it is, the membership is just very .. uh .. selective. :)=0A>> =0A>> "Stak=
eholder" is just a fancy way of saying "member". They vote, things change.=
=0A>=0A>You appear to be using a rather ... expansive definition of the wor=
d 'member'.=0A>=0A>> Like I said, this is _exactly_ what Ryan wanted. Only =
the "anointed" get to decide things. Works out well, doesn't it?=0A>=0A>In =
the sense that the ones who actively participate, scream the loudest, lobby=
the most, etc., get to decide things, I suppose one could say it works out=
.=A0 However, since anyone can actively participate, scream, lobby, etc., I=
'm not sure how that can be described as "only the anointed get to decide t=
hings".=0A>=0A>Regards,=0A>-drc=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
