[163968] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Warren Bailey)
Sat Jun 22 01:11:17 2013
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com>, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 05:10:08 +0000
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Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communica
tions-nsa
I suppose they really are tapping all of the fiber.. Huh?
On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, "Phil Fagan" <philfagan@gmail.com> wrote:
>I guess the moral here is....don't do anything "wrong."
>
>:-D
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>> > On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in
>> that when
>> >> they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a
>>against
>> you
>> >> they use no other data collected under a proper warrant.
>> >
>> > That statement ignores a longstanding legal principle known as "fruit
>>of
>> the poison tree".
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> In spite of what you may have seen on TV, law enforcement is not
>> required to ignore evidence of a crime which turns up during a lawful
>> search merely because it's evidence of a different crime. Fruit of the
>> poisonous tree applies when the original search for whatever it was
>> they were originally looking for is unlawful. Supposedly the FISA
>> court found the NSA's troll for terrorists to be lawful. Once that's
>> true, evidence of any crime may be lawfully introduced in court.
>>
>>
>> For a fun read, check out the Ilustrated Guide to Criminal Law:
>> http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=3D18
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>--=20
>Phil Fagan
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