[162324] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Apr 9 00:06:27 2013
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <B14A62A57AB87D45BB6DD7D9D2B78F0B1160E9C5@xmb-rcd-x06.cisco.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:01:08 -0700
To: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> =
wrote:
> I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because
> they control both the software and hardware.
>=20
> Google/Android =E7an not do it well enough, since the Android OS =
version
> compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware
> manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-(
>=20
But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that =
everyone
used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said
killer app.
Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" =
and
poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X.
(Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device
maker.)
> For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported
> on many android devices. :=3D(
>=20
They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users.
> Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) =
will
> be with us for a long time.
>=20
I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long =
time.
What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service =
providers.
It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics =
aren't going
to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
Owen
> Cheers,
> Rajiv
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM
> To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1@mac.com>, nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
>=20
>>=20
>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva@cisco.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and
>>> v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later.
>>>=20
>>> But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not =
support
>>> IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought =
over
>>> the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users =
to
>>> the
>>> right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism
>>> fades
>>> away.
>>=20
>> The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want =
to use
>> something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get
>> installed.
>>=20
>> Apple does a great job of this...
>>=20
>> Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they =
manage to
>> also release an update to software that I do care about. That =
software
>> update
>> inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade.
>>=20
>> Owen
>>=20
