[159173] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netflix transit preference?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Thu Dec 27 14:09:06 2012
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <1CCA6C18-16C5-48B2-86B6-396DF310A53A@ianai.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:08:50 -0500
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
More silliness was pointed out to me. I was looking at Jeff Kell's =
from: address and looked up UTC.edu to get your location, forgetting you =
mentioned Colorado in your original post.
I'm going to sign off and enjoy the holidays since I clearly am not =
doing anyone any good here.
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TTFN,
patrick
On Dec 27, 2012, at 13:54 , Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> =
wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 13:46 , randal k <nanog@data102.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, we are trying to determine =
where/how we receive it ... not necessarily influence it, as there isn't =
so much we can do there as Netflix' egress policy is theirs and theirs =
alone (interestingly, nobody has communities to influence Netflix' =
AS2906 traffic). We cannot peer directly with Netflix as their =
openconnect statement requires 2gbps minimum, and mentions elsewhere =
that the like 5+. We aren't at 2gbps yet, and we are nowhere near one of =
their POPs -- it is way cheaper to buy 2-3gbps of cheap transit than it =
is to buy 2-3gbps of transport from Denver to LA.
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> Ah, I misunderstood. Mea Culpa. I thought you were saying since they =
only had 1.4 Gbps to you, you wouldn't peer with them. Silly of me.
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> The 2 Gbps is only for PNI, but yeah, I can see how paying to get to =
LA or Denver may be expensive. Although once you did, you could peer =
with a lot more than just Netflix. On the other hand, how much is it to =
get to Atlanta? Looks relatively close (miles-wise, don't know fiber =
routes in Tennessee).
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> Anyway, while their egress decisions are theirs (as is true of =
everyone), they probably will be happy to discuss with you - once the =
holidays are over.
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> TTFN,
> patrick
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>> As mentioned, my notes to peering@netflix.com have gone unanswered =
for the holidays (not unexpected), so I thought I'd ping the hive mind =
for some info in the meantime.
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>> Cheers,
>> Randal
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>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore =
<patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 13:19 , randal k <nanog@data102.com> wrote:
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>>> I work at a datacenter in southern Colorado that is the upstream =
bandwidth
>>> provider for several regional ISPs. We have been investigating our
>>> ever-growing bandwidth usage and have found that out of transits
>>> (Level3,Cogent,HE) that Netflix always seems to come in via =
Hurricane
>>> Electric. (We move ~1.4gbps to Netflix, and are thus not a candidate =
for
>>> peering. And they have no POP close.)
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>> Your statement about peering makes no sense. You are trying to =
engineer where their traffic comes and yet you refuse to have a direct =
connection which would give you full control? Weird.......
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>>> I tested this by advertising a /24 across all providers, then =
selectively
>>> removed the advertisement to certain carriers to see where the =
bandwidth
>>> goes. In order, it appears that if there is a HE route, Netflix uses =
it,
>>> period. If there isn't, it prefers Level3, and Cogent comes last.
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>> Completely unsurprising.
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>>> Since Netflix is a big hunk of our bandwidth (and obviously makes =
our
>>> customers happy), we are included to buy some more HE. However, if =
Netflix
>>> decides that they want to randomly switch to, say, Cogent, we may be =
under
>>> a year-long bandwidth contract that isn't particularly valuable =
anymore.
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>>> With all of that, I am interested in finding out of any knowledge =
about
>>> Netflix transit preferences, be it inside information, anecdotal, or
>>> otherwise. I did email peering@ but haven't heard back, thus the =
public
>>> question.
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>> Why don't you ask Netflix?
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>> And why not ask them for kit to put on-net? =
<https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect>
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>> --
>> TTFN,
>> patrick
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