[158572] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Six Strike Rule (Was: William was raided...)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Dec 4 15:26:36 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk15JSGiL8gdmXh6xA5y3pGi0oDvqH4Eqb=SRWU+G_rrOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:22:57 -0800
To: joly@punkcast.com
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Marketing... They don't want to risk it getting caught in the current =
backlash
against 3-strikes laws.
Owen
On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:13 , Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
> ISOC-NY ran a half day conflab on 6 strikes (which incidentally - and =
for
> reasons that escape me - is a name the Copyright Alert System =
perpetrators
> wish would not be used) last November 15.
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> A full archive is available at http://isoc-ny.org/p2/4527
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> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jason Baugher =
<jason@thebaughers.com>wrote:
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>> We don't do content inspection. We don't really want to know what our
>> customers are doing, and even if we did, there's not enough time in =
the day
>> to spend paying attention. When we get complaints from the various
>> copyright agencies, we warn the customer to stop. When we hit a =
certain
>> number of complaints, its bye-bye customer.
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>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org> =
wrote:
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>>> On 2012-12-04 11:51, Nick B wrote:
>>>> In a related note, I wonder if the six-strike rule would violate =
the
>>> ISP's
>>>> safe harbor, as it's clearly content inspection.
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>>> As performed in France, what happens is that some copyright owner
>>> contacts the ISP that IP address a.b.c.d had accessed/served =
copyright
>>> infringing data at date/time dd-mm-yyyy HH:mm providing some kind of
>>> detail on how they figured that out.
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>>> That report is a 'strike' and gets forwarded to the user.
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>>> If that then happens 6 times they are blocked.
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>>> The ISP as such does not do any content inspection.
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>>> It is though assumed that some ISPs simply count bytes and that they =
do
>>> some investigation themselves when you reach a certain bandwidth
>>> threshold (it seems to correlate that copyright infringers are
>>> downloading a lot more than normal webbrowsing users...)
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>>> Greets,
>>> Jeroen
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