[158570] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Tue Dec 4 14:36:56 2012
To: Brian Johnson <bjohnson@drtel.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:32:01 +0000."
<F05D77A9631CAE4097F7B69095F1B06FD62E027D@EX02.drtel.lan>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:35:48 -0500
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
--==_Exmh_1354649748_2022P
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:32:01 +0000, Brian Johnson said:
> This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a knowingly
> illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former.
This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference between
a consumer ISP selling you a cable Internet plan knowing that NN% of
the traffic will be data with questionable copyright status, and
1 of of 5 or so will be a botted box doing other illegal stuff,
and a TOR node providing transit knowing that NN% will be similarly
questionable etc etc etc.
In other words, if TOR exit nodes provide a "knowingly illegal offering",
then Comcast is doing exactly the same thing...
(Also, feel free to cite actual statute or case law that says TOR is
by *definition* or finding of fact, a "knowingly illegal offering" in
and of itself - distinct from what uses the user thereof may do with it.
Absent that, it's not a "knowingly illegal offering" the same way that
some sites have ended up in court for contributory copyright infringement.)
--==_Exmh_1354649748_2022P
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001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=ZwHU
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--==_Exmh_1354649748_2022P--
