[156935] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: guys != gender neutral
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Sep 30 17:51:45 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <6cc996cbe4aaa340951963ad1d3012f3@mail.dessus.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:47:12 -0700
To: Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Ugly would usually be considered pejorative.
Owen
On Sep 29, 2012, at 20:59 , Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. [mailto:otis@ocosa.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2012 05:33
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: guys !=3D gender neutral
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>> Maybe the OP for "really nasty attacks" in hindsight wishes =
"NANOGers" was
>> used instead to address the list. :)
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>> Having "all walks of life" essentially all around, it really makes =
one
>> careful to truly think before speaking. Sometimes we miss this with
>> everything we have going on, but no one is perfect.
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>> The bottomline is, no one can really sastifisfy any indivdual and =
their
>> preference of how they would liked to be addressed. If one is to be =
offended
>> or looks for offense they will capitalize on it period. I try much as
>> possible to avoid those situations.
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>> When we refer to our clients in a mass communication we either =
utilize our
>> tools to auto fix their name to the letter or we address them as =
"OCOSA
>> Family" or "All" or "Clients". We are a very family-oriented =
business and
>> are "down to Earth." We'd like to believe our clients are apart of =
our family
>> and some may take offense but you might or never would know unless an
>> opportunity presented itself.
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>> Personally, I practice using the person's name, I am in communication
>> with...not "buddy", "bud", "pal", "man", "guys", "gal" "y'all" and =
etc. When
>> addressing mixed gender groups, I simply speak or address as "all". =
Thus, no
>> mistakes.
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>> When addressing both genders you have to be extremely careful. =
Ultimately, It
>> depends on the audience and treating all with respect seems to work =
for me.
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>> For example: You could address a group a men and call them "boys". =
Well, that
>> might offend some, especially if they are older than you.
>> For example: You could address a group of young adults and call them =
"kids".
>> Well, that might offend some.
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>> As Owen mentioned saying "human" seems okay and true but then again, =
because
>> it's not the norm it raises some question. (Internal thinking =
process, "Oh
>> I'm a HUMAN!!!!, well I that is true" then your temperature gets back =
to
>> normal) :)
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>> In general, this is life and I simply have fun and enjoy it because =
it's too
>> short.
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>> Otis
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