[156665] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: the economies of scale of a Worldcon,
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jo Rhett)
Fri Sep 21 16:09:03 2012
From: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
In-Reply-To: <18055291.25902.1348246859576.JavaMail.root@benjamin.baylink.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:08:22 -0700
To: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> And this is pretty much precisely why I'm hammering the nail; there's=20=
> *lots* of stuff that could -- and properly should -- be technology=20
> assisted at the world's largest gathering of science fiction =
enthusiasts.
No point in building fast access to nothing (related to the con) ;-)
I'm not saying that's right, but it is what is. And don't forget that =
right now hard SF is a pretty mean minority. The vast majority of sci-fi =
fans are into steampunk and other alt history these days. (and don't get =
me started about that) iPhones are not generally strapped to their =
victorian outfits.
> Assuming you can get close enough -- which won't be geographically=20
> practical for ... oh, wait; you're envisioning 3G, not WLAN. Yeah,
> I suppose that might work... until you consider that I will, =
personally,
> be bringing both laptops, my tablet, and my phone, all of which want=20=
All of which can use LTE either natively or with a dongle.
> to talk to the outside world. I would bet that I'm not all *that*=20
> unusual in that, at a Worldcon, based on some attendee conversations=20=
> I've had at Anticipation and the much less well attended NASfic 10,=20
> ReConstruction.
You aren't unusual, but you aren't the average by a long shot.
> A lot of this, too, depends on what the concom negotiated with the
> property about wifi access already.
And this is where you're going to hit some very hard walls. =20
One of which I forgot to mention. Many of the hotels (I believe all =
Hilton properties at this time) have sold the facilities space for their =
wifi network to another company. They CAN'T negotiate it with you, =
because they don't own it any more. And most of these wifi networks have =
stealth killers enabled, so that they spoof any other wifi zone they see =
and send back reject messages to the clients. So you can't run them side =
by side.
Try having a conversation with the hotel rep in charge of selling =
convention space about these kind of technical bits about wifi networks =
sometime. If you don't mind tearing your hair out at the time. Or =
tearing it out later, after you've been assured that the hotel will =
"make it all work" and then find that none of this equipment is within =
their control. (they don't care, you're already there and can't go =
anywhere else)
Sorry I'm being so negative on this topic. Got more than a few burnt =
fingers on this one :)
> Can I get 12000 sessions on a single LTE tower?
Yes. Can you get 12000 sessions through any single POE gateway? ;-)
--=20
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet =
projects.
