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RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wallace Keith)
Fri Aug 3 17:57:07 2012
From: Wallace Keith <kwallace@pcconnection.com>
To: "frnkblk@iname.com" <frnkblk@iname.com>, 'William Herrin' <bill@herrin.us>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:56:37 -0400
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Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnkblk@iname.com]=20
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:27 PM
To: 'William Herrin'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outa=
ge there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there were, =
not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. And it doesn't p=
ay to put a natural gas (or similar) generator at every node for those rare=
instances where the battery does not suffice.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: William Herrin [mailto:bill@herrin.us]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:31 PM
To: Seth Mattinen
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
<snip>
> The central plant days are mostly gone; there's fiber huts everywhere=20
> and not enough trucks/manpower (in my area a lineman sits in his truck=20
> and reads a book while tethered to the power
> kiosk) to run them all if the outage is too widespread for too long.
They put a quarter million dollars into the fiber hut. They can't put a $50=
0 gasoline generator in a warehouse 50 miles away and go pick it up when th=
ere's an extended outage?
I'll give Verizon a little credit. They restored service after about
12 hours of outage. Cox didn't restore service until 12 hours *after* my po=
wer came back on.
Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could be bet=
ter. And 20 years ago the reliability was.
-Bill
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William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls C=
hurch, VA 22042-3004
One would think the head end of the fiber would have batteries and a genera=
tor. I have TDS fiber at home and I believe it goes all the way back to th=
e CO with no active items between. I do have UPS's and a genset to keep th=
e ONT and servers running. Here in Fairpoint (former Verizon) land, most o=
f the SLC huts I've seen, have either a genset or a plug for a mobile gen=
erator on the side of the bldg. The generators in the service vehicles can =
plug into these. The cable (HFC) infrastructure, on the other hand, has p=
ole mounted power supplies that apparently (to me) go dead within an hour o=
f a power failure. No way to back them up easily that I can see.
Running BGP and hosting over a residential service such as cable or DSL, ha=
s it's limitations as I have learned. I doubt your LEC has an SLA for DSL =
service. I would look at hosting somewhere closer to your eyeball network=
s and let them worry about power, cooling and network availability.
-Keith
