[152327] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Richey)
Wed Apr 25 13:22:25 2012
From: "Richey" <mylists@battleop.com>
To: "'Kenneth McRae'" <kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com>,
"'Owen DeLong'" <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALBytubRktn3P9okY+ODT=bkM-VE7z0oL3xO95b3zhejBSERbw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:21:18 -0400
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I got a new allocation about 18 months ago. I sent them a spread sheet of
the users and their current IPs. I changed the real customer name to
something that reflected what business they were in. So I had lots of
"Hotel Customer 1" and "Dr. Office 112" with what IPs they were using.
There was no way we were going to release a complete customer list to
anyone. They didn't seem to have a problem with this.
Richey
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth McRae [mailto:kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space would
be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is
> required is what has been required for several years. Utilization
> information and proper justification.
>
> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer)
> information is in fact part of that utilization information.
>
> Owen
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
>
> > Negative.. I have never had to provide end user information. I
> > have
> been
> > required to provide utilization information. I am sure this
> > "policy" is and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof@thejof.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, <admin@thecpaneladmin.com> wrote:
> >>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> >> allocation
> >>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
> >> allocations,
> >>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are
> insisting
> >>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does
> >>> when requesting IPs. Has anyone actually had to do this?
> >>
> >> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
> >>
> >> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and
> >> egg problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for
> >> asking for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So,
> >> organizations must first get some space assigned to them from an
> >> upstream provider and begin using it.
> >> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned
> >> space will justify a direct allocation.
> >>
> >> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally independent.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> jof
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Kenneth McRae
> > *Sr. Network Engineer*
> > kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com
> > Ph: 323-375-3814
> > www.dreamhost.com
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Kenneth McRae
*Sr. Network Engineer*
kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com
Ph: 323-375-3814
www.dreamhost.com
