[152323] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Apr 25 12:58:28 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <4F981E3F.4010703@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:55:55 -0700
To: -Hammer- <bhmccie@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquisition of a large IPv6 =
block, but you did not purchase it.
Number resources are not property and cannot be bought and/or sold.
What you pay to ARIN pays for registration services (the registration of =
the numbers, not the numbers themselves). While I realize that in =
practice this may seem like a distinction without a difference, there =
are major legal and practical implications to this fact that are quite =
important to the very underpinnings of how the internet works.
Owen
On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:54 AM, -Hammer- wrote:
> I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 =
block. We've had several large V4 blocks for years and got them with =
very little effort. For this block, we had to provide a detailed list of =
all our physical locations as well as how the IP schema would be =
utilized. I also had to provide site drawings (scrubbed visios) showing =
my topology layout to justify my additional ASNs. It was not a harsh =
ordeal. ARIN was very professional about it. But it was a lot more =
paperwork than what I've needed in the past. None of it seemed =
unreasonable. We just had to work out NDAs and whatnot so I could share =
more detailed information with them.
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> -Hammer-
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> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
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> On 4/25/2012 10:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is =
required is what
>> has been required for several years. Utilization information and =
proper justification.
>>=20
>> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) =
information is
>> in fact part of that utilization information.
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>> Owen
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>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
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>>> Negative.. I have never had to provide end user information. I =
have been
>>> required to provide utilization information. I am sure this =
"policy" is
>>> and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
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>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff<jof@thejof.com> =
wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM,<admin@thecpaneladmin.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
>>>> allocation
>>>>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
>>>> allocations,
>>>>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are =
insisting
>>>>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does =
when
>>>>> requesting IPs. Has anyone actually had to do this?
>>>> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
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>>>> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and =
egg
>>>> problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for asking
>>>> for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So, organizations
>>>> must first get some space assigned to them from an upstream =
provider
>>>> and begin using it.
>>>> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned =
space
>>>> will justify a direct allocation.
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>>>> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally =
independent.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> jof
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>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Best Regards,
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>>>=20
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>>> Kenneth McRae
>>> *Sr. Network Engineer*
>>> kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com
>>> Ph: 323-375-3814
>>> www.dreamhost.com
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