[152314] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Apr 25 11:39:19 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <4F978420.4040605@brightok.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:31:44 -0700
To: Jack Bates <jbates@brightok.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 2:00 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I know that the ARIN process can, on occasion be tricky to navigate =
if you don't
>> understand the subtleties of how some of the terminology is defined =
and that people
>> often use terms which have very specific meanings to ARIN staff =
members to have
>> a much broader meaning in what they are intending to say. I know that =
often leads
>> to misunderstandings which make the process even more difficult.
>=20
> Yeah. Let's not forget that if you have 120 management devices (wifi =
backhaul/switches/waps) and a ton of customers with /32 assignments and =
you are renumbering from provider assigned space you gathered over many =
years into your own initial ARIN assignment, they want:
>=20
> 1. equipment type and info for each management device
> 2. customer info for each /32 assignment
>=20
> Tell me what ISP can legally and ethically give out their customer =
base information? Don't get me wrong. I'm sure small guys don't think =
twice about it, accumulating all the information and handing it over to =
ARIN thinking they have no choice (the responses from ARIN leaves one =
with that impression; you want the address space, you WILL give us =
this).
>=20
There is nothing whatsoever wrong with providing the information to ARIN =
under NDA. ARIN provides a very good (IMHO) plain English mutual NDA for =
just this purpose.
What rational ethical ISP fails to include a provision for this process =
in their TOS?
> I sometimes wonder what happens to that information; if it sits around =
in an archive somewhere in the vast digital repositories of ARIN =
awaiting someone to steal it.
That's a very cynical view. I happen to know that ARIN takes the =
security of that data very seriously and I think they do a good job of =
protecting it. If you have any reason to believe otherwise, I invite you =
to offer some form of substantiation to support such a claim.
Owen
