[150965] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Request to lease IP space,
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (George Herbert)
Thu Mar 8 22:36:06 2012
In-Reply-To: <14B85F94-1574-481A-BED6-4407DDABE51F@apnic.net>
From: George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:35:04 -0800
To: George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
This tactic is extremely well known by spammers. Either sending from the blo=
cks or hosting questionable client web (usually spammed URLs).
There really isn't much else people try with this stuff.
Yes, the space quickly goes on *BLs. They don't care; they get more and leav=
e you holding the poop.
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On Mar 8, 2012, at 19:10, George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net> wrote:
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> On 09/03/2012, at 1:03 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
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>> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012, George Michaelson wrote:
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>>> The value proposition is gaming google page rank, by using widely spread=
and legitimately routed IPs to force your paying customers page rank high, b=
y hits and references. This is a very high value business: one customer payi=
ng you big bucks, to have their web high in google pagerank. Not attacking a=
million mailboxes.
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>> If that's all they want, why not get dedi/vp/cloud servers distributed al=
l around the globe and use those for hosting the sites used to drive up page=
rank?
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> because by renting others space, they get the benefit of hiding in their o=
therwise normal traffic? plausible denyability?
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> I don't know. I used over-pejorative language. this is probably not ALL th=
ey want to do, but I don't think the primary driver is spam, because spam ge=
nerates a lower income stream, and has higher risks of being RBL or otherwis=
e blocked, and can be achieved quickly by use of unrouted space.
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> Also, what makes you think they aren't renting VPS? Or (for that matter) f=
ounding Virtual Hosting companies, and acquiring address for this purpose?=20=
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> Surely a wise strategy in this space is to have many strategies?
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> -G
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> PS same: since this goes to address policy, I need to declare that I work f=
or an RIR but I am posting in a personal capacity and nothing I say is a ref=
lection of any RIR address policy. I work in the research department, not in=
registry/allocations
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