[141963] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: The stupidity of trying to "fix" DHCPv6
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brett Watson)
Tue Jun 14 21:30:29 2011
From: Brett Watson <brett@the-watsons.org>
In-Reply-To: <205054C9-A2C7-41D7-8BE9-4D032399BD3C@delong.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:29:30 -0700
To: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jun 10, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> I see no reason that additional DHCPv6 options would have to fragment =
the installed
> base or perpetuate the lack of agreed upon DHCPv6 behavior. In fact, I =
think that
> adding these options could allow for a set of rules that would be =
acceptable to all
> and would allow administrators to make choices based on the needs of =
their
> environments.
Indeed, and agreed. I've got a number of large, multi-national =
enterprise customers who are in this very situation, they need the =
options because they're trying to get away from a lot of nasty, =
inherited, legacy configurations. The only way they can safely migrate =
from those is if we (well, IETF, via RFC, and then vendors) provide them =
the options to be flexible.
This thread is somewhat like the DLV/DNSSEC thread on dns-operations. =
Some are arguing DLV should die, but frankly it's giving operators =
options to *migrate* to DNSSEC rather than making forklift changes in =
their networks.
I'd simply like to see the option of doing RA, or not, or DHCP with =
option.routers, etc.
>> People who don't like this should blame their younger selves who =
failed to show up at the IETF ten years ago to get this done while =
DHCPv6 was still clean slate.
>>=20
>=20
> There were a lot of people who tried to "show up" at the IETF 10 years =
ago and talk
> about this stuff from an operational perspective. They were basically =
told that operators
> don't know what they want and they should shut up and go away and let =
real men
> do the work.
Indeed, again. I stopped going to IETF (for good or ill) in 1997 or so, =
but still following the mailing lists. I haven't been since, but sounds =
like this is still the status quo.
-b
