[139046] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: The growth of municipal broadband networks
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Paul Stewart)
Fri Mar 25 15:11:00 2011
From: "Paul Stewart" <paul@paulstewart.org>
To: "'Martin Millnert'" <millnert@gmail.com>,
"'Paul Graydon'" <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9VY1UvoWbFYmPpN0WeYuAtHCVgOxxUONyWzGB@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:10:51 -0400
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Highly agree with this experience being shared. We have had some =
dealings
with municipal related fiber networks (not naming any names or giving =
any
hints for obvious reasons) where shortly after providing the proposal to =
the
customer, the municipal "sales vultures" went in and undercut our =
pricing
(with Internet access included) to below what the fiber loop itself was
priced at to us.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Millnert [mailto:millnert@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:05 PM
To: Paul Graydon
Cc: nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Re: The growth of municipal broadband networks
Paul,
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk>
wrote:
>
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/133-us-cities-now-run-the=
ir-
own-broadband-networks.ars
>
> Ars Technica has a short article up about the growth of municipal
networks,
> but principally a nice little 'hey check out this website'
> (http://www.muninetworks.org/communitymap)
(snip)
> I'm curious how the feeling is on NANOG about shifting such provision
> towards municipal instead of corporations? =A0I guess a rough summary =
of the
> competing views I've heard so far are:
(snip)
With experience from Sweden, which has seen many varying incantations
of these sort of networks, I have this hopefully useful bit to share:
It's OK for tax-payer money to build layer-1 infrastructure if it
decides so, that non-tax payer money can sell services on, but fail
starts to happen the very moment they decide to go higher than that.
That's... all.
Regards,
Martin
