[139012] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Benson Schliesser)
Thu Mar 24 23:53:59 2011
From: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim_pvo8SL-txUCARhLLDBNr2TkB7rFNC50HMoWy@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:53:12 -0500
To: Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com>,
Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> So I wonder.... rhetorically speaking.. what happens when a =
bankruptcy
> court accidentally sells something that doesn't actually exist,
> ...
> Because that's what IP addresses are. Totally worthless unless =
community
> participants voluntarily route traffic for those IPs to the assignee.
There are a small number of examples, of intellectual property that =
exists solely by convention and yet has value. But you're correct: the =
property structure of IP addresses is ambiguous. We never had to define =
it because we had free supply, but times are changing.
> Meaning if MS has an RSA in force, all their resources should be =
compliant
> with ARIN policies, and all transfer policies should be followed with =
regards
> to justified need.
If I recall correctly, the ARIN RSA only applies to resources acquired =
from ARIN. It's a contract for ARIN services and doesn't cover legacy =
blocks, blocks from other RIRs, etc - it doesn't automatically extend =
ARIN's authority.
On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> If ARIN reassigned the space, and Microsoft continued to announce it =
anyway, would either announcing entity be have enough of a critical mass
> that the conflict wouldn't matter to it ?=20
>=20
> I would submit that any address assignments with continual major =
operational issues arising from assignment conflicts would not be very =
attractive. =20
>=20
> I also don't think that that would be good for the Internet.=20
I agree. Which is why ARIN should keep their Whois updated with =
accurate data, rather than fighting for control of resources beyond RSA =
scope.
Cheers,
-Benson
