[136824] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Curran)
Sat Feb 5 13:39:33 2011
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From: John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org>
In-Reply-To: <20110205182734.GB22325@vacation.karoshi.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:38:29 -0500
To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
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On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:27 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:17:29AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>> ...
>> It's dominated by the type of network operator who shows up and =
participates.
>>=20
>> Generally, I hear what you're saying and don't disagree, but this is =
one of those truisms that applies across the whole spectrum of Internet =
governance: constrained-resource allocation, protocol definition, route =
and capacity forecasting, carrier interconnect, what-have-you. It's the =
people who sit back and say that someone else is doing it who don't get =
represented and don't get their way. So while I absolutely recognize =
the phenomenon you're describing and wish it were otherwise, the =
solution is action, not complaint.
>>=20
>> -Bill
>=20
> there is no complaint here bill. there is simply the observation =
that=20
> if I justified an allocation 20 years ago, under the then current =
policy,
> that it is, at best, presumptious to presume the power of =
expropriation
> without taking into account the doctrine of eminent domain. If the=20=
> RIR's and there active members want to take my right to use space =
away -=20
> I expect to be compensated at fair market value. ...=20
Bill -=20
That seems like a particularly strong reason on your part to participate=20=
in the policy development process. I happen to believe that the =
community=20
needs to be particularly respectful of the ability of all address =
holders=20
to use their space undisturbed, but at the end of the day we have to run=20=
according to whatever policies the community develops.
/John
