[136360] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ipv4's last graph
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Feb 2 14:13:58 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8DZjbi8E==Ts-hdWKazGDe4s4jpEOAxAOdnnO@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:09:26 -0800
To: Richard Barnes <richard.barnes@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Currently there is no policy in ARIN that would do that short of the =
last /10,
so, the line should change at 1/4 of the last /8.
Owen
On Feb 2, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> Note that the ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE lines should all basically level
> out to asymptotes after they hit 1 /8 left, due to the "soft run out"
> policies in place [1][2][3]. Either that, or just consider arriving
> at 1 /8 left as depletion.
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> Geoff: How are your graphs dealing with these policies?
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> [1] <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10>
> [2] <http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10.1>
> [3] <http://ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2010-02.html>
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vincent Hoffman [mailto:jhary@unsane.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:44 AM
>>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph
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>>> On 02/02/2011 17:22, Matthew Petach wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> =
wrote:
>>>>> So in the interest of 'second opinions never hurt', and I just =
can't
>>> get my
>>>>> head around "APnic sitting at 3 /8's, burning 2.3 /8's in the last =
2
>>> months
>>>>> and the idea of a 50% probability that their exhaustion event =
occurs
>>> Aug.
>>>>> 2011", here are a couple other graphs to consider.
>>>>> http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.pdf
>>>>> http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.pdf
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>>>>> Tony
>>>> Two things:
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>>>> 1) you'll get better uptake of your graph if it's visible as a =
simple
>>>> image, rather than requiring a PDF download. :/
>>> Not wishing to advertise google but
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http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=3Dhttp://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-
>>> rir-pools.pdf
>>> and
>>> =
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=3Dhttp://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-
>>> rir-pools-zoom.pdf
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>>> works for me without needing to download a pdf viewer
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>> For some reason that viewer didn't work here, so I added jpg's to the =
site.
>> http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.jpg
>> http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.jpg
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>>> Vince
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>>>> 2) labelling the Y axis would help; I'm not sure what the scale
>>>> of 1-8 represents, unless it's perhaps the number of slices of
>>>> pizza consumed per staff member per address allocation request?
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>> I thought about leaving it off completely, but figured I would be =
asked for
>> scale. It is /8's remaining until they drop into their 'last =
allocation'
>> policy. I will see if I can figure out how to fit that into something
>> readable.
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>>>> But I do agree with what seems to be your driving message, which
>>>> is that Geoff could potentially be considered "optimistic". ^_^;
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>> Geoff has always been the optimist ... ;0
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>>>> Matt
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