[136276] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: quietly....
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Iljitsch van Beijnum)
Wed Feb 2 03:18:20 2011
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
In-Reply-To: <4D48D4BA.5010005@otd.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:16:59 +0100
To: Dave Israel <davei@otd.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 2 feb 2011, at 4:51, Dave Israel wrote:
> They were features dreamed up by academics, theoreticians, and =
purists, and opposed by operators.
Contrary to popular belief, the IETF listens to operators and wants them =
to participate. Few do. For instance, I don't seem to remember your name =
from any IETF mailinglists. (I could be mistaken, though.)
There is a fundamental difference between designing something and using =
something. Both inform the other. But letting users with no design =
experience create something is a short road to failure. (Letting =
designers run stuff isn't much better.)
I always like to say the internet is an infinite universe. In an =
infinite universe, everything that's possible exist. Same in the =
internet. Think of some way to do something, however ill-informed, and =
someone is doing it that way.
Example: if you give administrators the option of putting a router =
address in a DHCP option, they will do so and some fraction of the time, =
this will be the wrong address and things don't work. If you let routers =
announce their presence, then it's virtually impossible that something =
goes wrong because routers know who they are. A clear win. Of course it =
does mean that people <gasp> have to learn something new when adopting =
IPv6.=
