[136177] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: A top-down RPKI model a threat to human freedom? (was Re: Level
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Feb 1 17:00:08 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <1296596197.16035.9.camel@home>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:48:18 -0800
To: Michael Hallgren <m.hallgren@free.fr>
Cc: carlos@lacnic.net, nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 1, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote:
> Le mardi 01 f=E9vrier 2011 =E0 13:20 -0800, Owen DeLong a =E9crit :
>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Martin Millnert =
<millnert@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Here be dragons,
>>> <snip>
>>>> It should be fairly obvious, by most recently what's going on in
>>>> Egypt, why allowing a government to control the Internet is a =
Really
>>>> Bad Idea.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> how is the egypt thing related to rPKI?
>>> How is the propsed rPKI work related to gov't control?
>>>=20
>> RPKI is a big knob governments might be tempted to turn.
>>=20
>>>> architecturally/technologically *impossible* for a entity from =
country
>>>> A to via-the-hierarchical-trust-model block a prefix assigned to =
some
>>>> entity in country B, that is assigned by B's RIR and in full
>>>> accordance with the RIR policies and in no breach of any contract.
>>>=20
>>> countries do not have RIR's, countries have NIR's... regions have =
RIR's.
>>=20
>> RIRs live in countries with governments.
>> RIRs are unlikely to mount a successful challenge against an =
organization
>> with tanks and mortars.
>=20
> Yes, right. But RIR is (at least supposed to be) regional, so
> (hopefully) more stable from a policy point of view (since the number =
of
> national "stake holders" need to agree on a common policy). In theory,
> at least...
>=20
There is not a single RIR that is not physically located in a country.
You can hope they are more stable from a policy point of view, but, the
reality is that if someone shows up at the front door with tanks and
mortars, my money is not on the RIR.
Owen
