[132457] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Blocking International DNS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sven Olaf Kamphuis)
Thu Nov 25 13:30:21 2010
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:24:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net>
To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?= <bjorn@mork.no>
In-Reply-To: <87aakx4j6x.fsf@nemi.mork.no>
Cc: Joe Sniderman <joseph.sniderman@thoroquel.org>, nanog@nanog.org,
Joakim Aronius <joakim@aronius.com>
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Bj=C3=B8rn Mork wrote:
> Joakim Aronius <joakim@aronius.com> writes:
>> * Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> This isnt new - there have been proposals elsewhere for a resolver
>>> based blacklist of child porn sites.
>>>
>>
>> Swedish ISPs are required to enforce a DNS blacklist for childporn,
>> perhaps also other European countries.
>
> Yes, this has alrady spread to a number of European countries:
> http://circamp.eu/
>
>> And once you get these things in place you never know where it will end.=
=2E.
Now i know NANOG should not carry political discussion, but really, we=20
should not even -need- to lobby.
Unlike the self-proclaimed "entertainment industry" we, the isps, OWN AND=
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OPERATE a critical infrastructure, of which the governments in the past=20
have proven incapable of running something like that themselves (you end=20
up with a 1970s style telephone network every time they try ;)
They simply need to be explained that the internet is a take it or leave=20
it deal.
Countries that work against us, should simply be LEFT. close your offices,=
=20
fire everyone, pay your taxes somewhere else, fuck them.
option B is a hostile takeover on the entire entertainment industry, in=20
order to get rid of them, by using the massive amounts of cashflow=20
available in our industry, all of those companies, disney, vivendi=20
(universal) viacom, etc are on the stock exchange, and therefore=20
vulnerable to hostile takeovers and fucking around with their listing by=20
means of options.
They have started a war with the wrong motherfuckers... just that the=20
wrong motherfuckers need to figure out that not all "connected parties"=20
are working in the interest of the internet, several (disney, time warner)=
=20
are trying to take control over the internet and make it a one way=20
broadcast system that only carries THEIR content to THEIR viewers.
We still are in a position to stop them, i say we should.
Besides, court orders only hold any value for specific countries, i'm=20
quite sure you're all quite capable of just shifting your=20
activities/billing to another one, as are we (and pretty much in real time=
=20
as well :P should the situation require that.
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