[130354] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: AT&T Dry Pairs?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Berkman)
Fri Oct 1 13:58:50 2010
From: "Scott Berkman" <scott@sberkman.net>
To: "'Brandon Galbraith'" <brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>,
<nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikK9XY_T3B7Gp=owZGsyuBbBZwOFzT4eJUCgzO7@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:58:30 -0400
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
We order these all of the time ( as a CLEC) for EoC connections or DSL =
on our equipment. The correct terminology is usually 2-wire or 4-wire =
copper loops. There will be specific NC/NCI codes depending on the iLEC =
region you are in and LEC you are working with.
Within these loops, you will generally see at least the following =
"types" of circuits, normally these are really just different levels of =
qualifications the LEC is required to meet on the copper they provide =
(in terms of noise, attenuation, load coils, and # feet of bridge tap):
HDSL (best)
ADSL
UCL (Unbundled copper loop - worst)
Now the main issue is that these circuits are normally provisioned =
between a CO and an end-user location. I don't know if you'd be able to =
get them directly between two sites that are not ATT facilities without =
going back to the CO first (greatly increasing total loop length and =
probably decreasing max DSL speeds).
The other thing to know is that in "busy" CO's, some of these line types =
(especially the higher quality loops) may be "blacklisted" meaning you =
either can't order them at all, or you can order them a different way at =
a much higher rate.
The last issue I can think of is that you may not be able to get these =
at all from ATT's retail or business side of the house. If that is the =
case, find a local CLEC and see if they will help you out.
-Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Galbraith [mailto:brandon.galbraith@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: AT&T Dry Pairs?
Has anyone had any luck lately getting dry pairs from AT&T? I'm in the =
Chicago area attempting to get a dry pair between two buildings (100ft
apart) for some equipment, but when speaking to several folks at AT&T =
the response I get is "You want AT&T service without the service? That's =
not logical!". Had no problems 3-4 years ago getting these sorts of =
"circuits", but it appears it's gone the way of the dodo now. Any emails =
off-list are appreciated.
--
Brandon Galbraith
US Voice: 630.492.0464
