[129701] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Sep 16 15:16:18 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <9CBEC49C-9106-4C7C-AC92-8C525AD9AEBE@semihuman.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:12:30 -0700
To: Chris Woodfield <rekoil@semihuman.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Chris Woodfield wrote:
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:57 07AM, George Bonser wrote:
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi Chris,
>>=20
>> Since prioritization would work ONLY when the link us saturated
>> (congested), without it, nothing is going to work well, not your
>> torrents, not your email, not your browsing. By prioritizing the
>> traffic, the torrents might back off but they would still continue to
>> flow, they wouldn't be completely blocked, they would just slow down.
>> QoS can be a good thing for allowing your VIOP to work while someone
>> else in the home is watching a streaming movie or something. Without
>> it, everything breaks once the circuit is congested.
>>=20
>>=20
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> Your statement misses the point, which is, *who* gets to decide what =
traffic is prioritized? And will that prioritization be determined by =
who is paying my carrier for that prioritization, potentially against my =
own preferences? For some damn reason, I might *prefer* that my torrent =
traffic get prioritized over, say, email. Or, I might not appreciate the =
eventuality that a stream I'm watching on hulu.com stutters because my =
neighbor's watching a movie on Netflix and it just happens that Netflix =
has paid my carrier for prioritized traffic.
>=20
> The other point, as mentioned previously, is that paid prioritization =
doesn't mean a thing unless there's congestion to be managed. It's not a =
far stretch to see exec-level types seeing the potential financial =
benefits to, well, ensuring that such congestion does show up in their =
network in order to create the practical incentives for paid =
prioritization.
>=20
> -C
Yep... If you don't believe that will happen, I refer you to Enron vs. =
California ISO and the
lovely changes to the electricity market in California around that time.
Owen
