[128696] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com)
Sat Aug 14 11:52:05 2010
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:51:27 +0000
From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <A22922AA-21FD-4345-B476-0A0ABF4D2EFC@delong.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 08:40:28AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
>
> > Funny!
> >
> > On one hand people talk about ARIN providing IP allocation at nearly zero cost and on the other hand talking that ARIN goes after companies that use their allocation for abuse (which has a non trivial cost and potential expensive lawsuits)...
> >
> > Do you know what you want?
>
> Let's clarify the definition of abuse in this context. We are not talking about people who use their IPs to abuse the network. We are talking about resource recipients who use their allocations or assignments in contravention to the policies under which they received them (and thus contrary to the RSA which they signed when they received them).
>
> Owen
In the formal ARIN context, there is a distiction between abuse and fraud.
abuse:: https://www.arin.net/abuse.html
fraud:: https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/index.html
It would be helpful in clarifing the discussion if folks used the proper
terminology.
--bill
