[128611] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Lightly used IP addresses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ken Chase)
Fri Aug 13 14:31:51 2010
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:31:43 -0400
From: Ken Chase <ken@sizone.org>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1008131410280.81771@joyce.lan>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:15:51PM -0400, John R. Levine said:
>>>I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far
>>>as I've figured it out:
>>>
>>>1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000
>>>
>>>2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B
>>>
>>>3. ARIN says no, B hasn't shown that they need it
>>>
>>>4. A and B say screw it, and B announces the space anyway
>>>
>>>5. ???
>>
>>6. ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being used
>>by B.
>>7. ARIN discovers that A is no longer using the space in accordance
>>with their RSA
>>8. ARIN reclaims the space and A and B are left to figure out who owes
>>what to whom.
>
>9. A and B ignore ARIN's email and continue to announce what they've been
>announcing.
>
>10. ARIN attempts to allocate the /20 to someone else, who is not amused.
>
>Note that at this point ARIN presumably has no more v4 space left, so a
>threat never to allocate more space to A or B isn't very scary. Given its
>limited practical leverage, ARIN is only effective insofar as its members
>and customers agree that playing by ARIN's rules is more beneficial than
>ignoring them.
Right, and Im answering my own question here, for (8) about the reclaiming -
what upstream is going to stop carrying prefixes from a downstream that's
'illegally' announcing them? Is this upstream going to cut that customer off and
lose the revenue, just to satisfy ARIN's bleating? From what I gather, all that
ARIN can do is remove the NS records for the i-a.a reverse zone for the offending
block, making SMTP a little trickier from the block, but not much else.
Unless I didnt see the other large sticks ARIN's carrying? I've never seen them
send hired goons to anyone's door... yet?
/kc
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