[128502] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: net-neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sven Olaf Kamphuis)
Wed Aug 11 07:28:07 2010
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:25:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net>
To: Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
In-Reply-To: <20100811204747.04523a23@opy.nosense.org>
Cc: aktive@lists.piratenpartei.de, nanog@nanog.org,
algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl
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it is:
c) RIAA/MPAA members trying to make ISPs liable for what customers do in
order to somehow fork the isp into kicking out the customer, as they
refuse to simply go to court against the customer but rather prefer to
harrass their ISP or their isp's isp..
Well guess what, we don't really feel like giving them something for free
(their traffic being relayed over our infrastructure) if they act hostile,
if they can't get the piratebay ITSELF to shut down, we can only conclude
the piratebay has the RIGHT to internet just as much as they do, actually
more, as the piratebay paid us, and they don't.
(so let's change the payment structure a bit and make these people pay us
too ;)
see also the various piratebay cases, as well as the fact that universal
music germany gmbh can't be fucked to pay for their own court fees if they
need a court order to get us to give out an address (the poor fuckers,
whatever happened to mtv-cribs ;)
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Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Mark Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC)
> Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely
>> undermining net-neutrality over the past few months,
>
> What is your definition of violating net-neutrality?
>
> Is it
>
> (a) carriers ransoming content providers so that only then will the
> content providers receive fair, equal and unfettered access to the
> carriers' customers?
>
> or
>
> (b) applying QoS to customer traffic if necessary because TCP was
> designed to suck up all the bandwidth available (to try to achieve 100%
> return on investment in the network capex), based on an original
> assumption that there'd be short bursts of TCP traffic, and now some
> applications, particular P2P ones, which use TCP, now create constant
> rather than bursty load on the network, resulting in congestion and
> impacting latency sensitive applications such as VoIP and gaming?
>
>
>
>> which they seem to
>> see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to
>> set an example:
>>
>> Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the
>> coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a
>> traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount
>> to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no
>> more internets for them... sorry peeps.
>>
>>
>> 193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET
>> 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC
>> 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS
>> 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV
>> 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2
>> 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA
>> 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA
>> 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA
>> 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613
>> 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
>>
>>
>> --
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
>> CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG
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>> Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209
>> D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B
>> BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479
>> Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799
>> RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net
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