[125006] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Apr 8 14:00:13 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.01.1004080929010.22146@filesrv1.baby-dragons.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:55:49 -0700
To: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr@baby-dragons.com>
Cc: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org>, 'Joe Greco' <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
> Hello Lee ,
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> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Lee Howard wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgreco@ns.sol.net]
>>> It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing =
out
>>> the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of
>>> encouraging v6 adoption. The lack of a need for onerous contractual
>>> clauses as suggested above, combined with less overhead costs, ought
>>> to make v6 really cheap.
>>=20
>> For "fairly liberally" see:
>> For ISPs: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six51
>> You have to be an ISP with a plan to have 200 assignment in 5 =
years
>> Non-ISP: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58
>> Be not-an-ISP and have a need for addresses (per other policies,
>> you get to choose which one).
>>=20
>> In another post you asked essentially "why does ARIN charge so much?"
>> ARIN doesn't just maintain a notebook of address assignments. There =
are
>> HA servers for Whois, IN-ADDR. and IP6.ARPA, research in things like
>> SIDR, DNSsec, other tools-services, and educational outreach on IPv6.
>> You suggest that there's much less to argue about in IPv6 policy, but =
if
>> you look at current proposals =
(https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/)
>> you'll see three that are IPv6-specific, and most of the others cover
>> both IPv4 and IPv6. So ARIN will continue to maintain the mailing
>> lists, and hold public policy meetings (with remote participation, so
>> anyone can participate), and facilitate elections so you can throw =
the
>> bums out if you don't like how we do things.
>>=20
>> We don't really know how much IPv6 will cost ARIN. If there were
>> no more debate about allocation policies, and nobody else had any =
interest
>> in us (politically or litigiously), and technology were fairly =
static, then
>> we
>> might just do periodic tech refreshes and be fine. I imagine all of =
those
>> things will continue for a while, though, and ARIN will need to be
>> financially solvent through the transition.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Your ARIN fee does not cover me posting here. That's gratis, and
>> worth it.
>>=20
>> Lee
> Thank you for posting those URL's I find a completely different =
interpretation to the prose there .
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> <Quote>
> 6.5.8. Direct assignments from ARIN to end-user organizations
> 6.5.8.1. Criteria
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> To qualify for a direct assignment, an organization must:
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> 1. not be an IPv6 LIR; and
> 2. qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation from ARIN under the =
IPv4 policy currently in effect, or "demonstrate efficient utilization =
of all direct IPv4 assignments and allocations, each of which must be =
covered by any current ARIN RSA", or be a qualifying Community Network =
as defined in Section 2.8, with assignment criteria defined in section =
6.5.9.
> </Quote>
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> Note the ""'d section above . I as a Legacy holder of netname =
baby-dragons HAVE to have a Signed RSA with Airn or I am NOT , by =
definition , Qualified .
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You must meet 1 (not be an IPv6 LIR)
You must meet one of the criteria in 2.
Any ONE of:
+ Qualify for an IPv4 assignment or allocation under current ARIN =
policy
OR "demonstrate efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 =
assignments and allocations, each of which must..."
OR be a qualifying Community Network as defined in section 2.8...
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> I find the present lRSA an indecent attempt to undermine the =
present Legacy ipv4 holders view of the rights presented them at the =
time of their Assignments or Allocations . If I could find my OLD =
Ultrix Tarball or Dump tapes from that era , and they are still =
readable , I might just be able to present the conversations I had at =
that time with InterNIC while acquiring that Legacy Space .
> Might someone else have a Document or some other Recorded =
conversation ?
What, exactly do you find so onerous in the LRSA?
Would it be equally onerous if ARIN simply stopped providing RDNS for =
you?
Owen
> Twyl , JimL
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> ps: Back to haunting mode .
> --=20
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