[124284] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Is TDM going the way of dial-up?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Kevin Oberman)
Tue Mar 30 01:15:09 2010
To: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)
In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:43:23 GMT."
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:14:29 -0700
From: "Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:43:23 GMT
> From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)
>
> Rick Ernst <nanog@shreddedmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've noticed over the last 3 years or so that TDM, specifically T-1, access
> > and transport has been in a steady decline. Customers are moving to FTTH
> > and cable, or going WiMAX and Metro-Ethernet. Ethernet seems to have taken
> > an even bigger bite out of DS-3. The bigger pipes seem to favor ethernet. A
> > recent upgrade from OC-3 to GigE transport actually saved us a large chunk
> > of money.
> >
> > I'm wondering if others are seeing the same behavior, if it's
> > market-dependant, or if I'm just imagining things.
>
> Unfortunately what you are seeing is indeed where the world is going,
> and it is extremely painful to watch. My personal preference is the
> direct opposite of that: Ethernet for non-LAN use is my very antithesis,
> I hate it to the core of my being. V.35/HDLC forever for me! I will
> continue using HDLC over traditional synchronous serial WAN media for as
> long as I am alive.
>
> MS
>
> P.S. This message is being sent from a VAX running a variant of 4.3BSD
> (Quasijarus). Almost the entire ARPA Internet software stack that's
> running on my VAXen is mostly unchanged from how it was in 1988.
Much as I love Sonet and the like, I will channel Randy and say that I
hope all of my competitors do this. (OK. We really don't have
competitors.)
And, if you are using a 1988 TCP stack on a 4.3 system, you are not
likely to ever efficiently utilize a higher speed link and will not
behave well on any link. TCP has come a long way in the past 12
years. (Of course, I can't guess what "mostly unchanged" means.)
--
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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