[122775] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Feb 21 01:41:52 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <m24olb2o3n.wl%randy@psg.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:36:48 -0800
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> At least the US has a written constitution and the concept of the
>> people being sovereign.
>
> and a room im sf where at&t hands all their internet and voice to the
> nsa. right. and the list is long. internet and voie traffic are no
> longer private in the least sense. and cisco builds taps into all the
> devices. it goes on and on.
>
Voice over IP over IPSEC is still relatively private.
Internet over IPSEC or bi-directional keyed (auth+enc) SSL is still
relatively private.
Anything else never really was, even if it wasn't the government listening
to you before.
Agreed about the gov't throwing the constitution out the window, however.
Owen
