[120621] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: ip-precedence for management traffic
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc))
Tue Dec 29 11:44:33 2009
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:43:25 -0500
In-Reply-To: <200912291600.nBTG0vt8015215@aurora.sol.net>
From: "Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc)" <marcus.sachs@verizon.com>
To: "Joe Greco" <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Joe wrote:
>Getting back to the OP's message, I keep having these visions of the
>castrated "Internet" access some hotels provide. You know the ones.
>The ones where everything goes through a Web proxy and you're forced
>to have IE6 as a browser. For some people, who just want to log on=20
>to Yahoo or Hotmail or whatever to check their e-mail, that's fine.
>However, some of us might want to be able to VNC somewhere, or do
>VoIP, or run a VPN connection... these are all well-known Internet
>capabilities, and yet some providers of so-called "Internet" access
>at hotels haven't allowed for them.
>
>Do we really want to spread that sort of model to the rest of the
>Internet? All it really encourages is for more and more things to
>be ported to HTTP, including, amusingly, management of devices...
>at which point we have not really solved the problem but we have
>succeeded at doing damage to the potential of the Internet.=20
Yes, taking away the mechanisms will result in a "castrated" Internet =
experience for the clueful ones which is why I don't think this can be a =
one-size-fits-all model like the hotels try to do. Imagine a =
residential ISP that offers castration at a lower price point than what =
is currently charged for monthly "raw" access. I think that many =
consumers would opt for that choice, while those who need access to =
everything would continue to pay the same rate. The price drop would be =
the incentive to get castrated, and what you give up would be access to =
things you likely don't use anyway. This castration process would be a =
big help to spam-blocking, evilware-blocking, ddos-blocking, etc. in =
addition to mitigating attacks against the mechanisms from hijacked =
residential computers. =20
Marc
