[120135] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sven Olaf Kamphuis)
Thu Dec 10 11:56:20 2009
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cyberbunker.com>
To: Raymond Dijkxhoorn <raymond@prolocation.net>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912101747570.5503@control.prolocation.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
thing is that it's illegal to maintain a database with "personal details"
which ip addresses according to various german courts are (don't ask..
mmk? ;) ofcourse we all know ip addresses identify nodes on a network, not
persons, but the germans seem to mainain a different view on this,
despite us isps being the owners of the internet and not the german
government ;).
therefore we are not even -allowed- to cooperate with trend micro *grin*
sometimes laws really come in handy you know ;)
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > RBLs are neither authorised (EU privacy laws anyone?), nor the appointed
> > authority to keep databases on "whats static or not". RIRs -are-, if
> > anyone should maintain a database on such things, i'd be the rirs
> > (which they have, it's called "whois", it just lacks a field that
> > indicates the type of assignment method used.
>
> Who cares!?
>
> This is something between the ISP using them and YOU. If people want to
> make use of ANY datasource thats their own thing. They are not forced to
> use it at all.
>
> There is no EU law or anything involved here.
>
> There are blacklists that block .CN, so what, up to you to use it it not.
>
> Same with iptables, you can also filter anything you like there,
> yourselve. No EU law telling anything about that.
>
> Stick to the point, solve your issue with the party receiving your mails.
> they dediced to use the list, and most likely were not forced to do so.
>
> If you want to mail with them, fix your reverses. If not, no problem
> either. But stop whining :)
>
> Byem,
> Raymond.
>
> X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "nanog"
>
