[120110] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Arrogant RBL list maintainers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Bulk)
Wed Dec 9 22:16:36 2009
From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com>
To: <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <4B1FF933.8030200@rollernet.us>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:15:57 -0600
Reply-To: frnkblk@iname.com
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Each network can decide how they want to run their network, and Trend Micro
can make any list they like, but if cb3rob.net wants to send e-mail to other
networks that use Trend Micro's list for spam control, cb3rob.net will have
to decide whether to comply with the other network's rules, even if those
rules seem unreasonable.
Two sides of an SP's coin: I want to maximize my e-mail servers'
deliverability, so I make sure those have appropriately named PTRs and make
sure that outbound messages aren't spammy; I also want to restrict
deliverability of e-mail from my dynamic space, so I have appropriately
named PTRs so that others don't have to guess what kind of host it is.
Perhaps I forgot those customers with static hosts and that want to send
e-mail -- I make sure those PTRs are well-named, too.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:sethm@rollernet.us]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:24 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers
Michael Holstein wrote:
>
> Suit yourself .. but you can't arbitrarily force the Internet as a whole
> to adopt an unwritten standard just to make your lives easier. If we
> encounter problems with our end-users and not being able to deliver
> email reliably to one of your customers, we'll have them call you, since
> we're complying with all the various SPAM prevention standards that
> presently exist.
>
One could argue that you are *not* complying by using a generic PTR for
a mail server. Some would say that a serious mail server should have
proper DNS records, others will say that you should accept mail from any
IP no matter what.
~Seth
