[116236] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: AT&T. Layer 6-8 needed.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Mon Jul 27 10:11:50 2009
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <d800cd540907270704k15193e72tca916c882284142c@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:10:57 -0400
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On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:04 AM, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
> Because most of the net libertarians insist that they should do
> whatever they want and everyone else should help cater to them.
>
> Liberty for me but not for thee.
I am very much of the "my network, my rules" camp.
As soon as att pays back all the gov't subsidies, tax credits, etc., -
we- paid them, they can call it -their- network.
Until then, things are a lot murkier.
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TTFN,
patrick
> On 7/27/09, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, William Pitcock wrote:
>>
>>> It is widely known that AT&T loves censorship. They love censorship
>>> because it is profitable for them to love censorship, and this
>>> isn't the
>>> first time they have enmasse blocked access to a website they didn't
>>> like. This has nothing at all to do with forged ACK responses, and
>>> everything to do with content.
>>
>> How does breaking things (censorship) make them more money?
>>
>> http://njabl.org/faq.html#Q12
>>
>>> AT&T does not have the right to filter what their users can access,
>>> period. You can put all the spin on it that you want, but in the
>>> end
>>> it's about content.
>>
>> Whatever happened to "My network, my rules?" If AT&T blocks
>> something,
>> and as an AT&T customer, you don't like it, get your connectivity
>> from
>> someone else.
>>
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