[112698] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Sat Mar 14 02:15:30 2009
To: ross@dillio.net
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:56:24 CDT."
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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:15:17 -0400
Cc: Mark Andrews <mark_andrews@isc.org>, nanog@nanog.org,
Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:56:24 CDT, Ross said:
> I know I won't be able to change your mind. Saying a company's business
> decisions are antisocial just because they aren't doing you want is very
> unhelpful. I don't know how many large ISPs you have worked for but I'm
> not sure if you understand corporate budgets or politics.
Ross - it doesn't help when you turn around and present another false dichotomy.
It's quite possible that Joe *does* understand corporate budgets and politics,
and *still* thinks that business decisions are antisocial. In fact, one can
fairly easily argue that *many* of our current socio-economic issues are due
to the fact that corporate decisions are in general required to be in the
stockholder's interests, not society's. In other words, they are in general
*by definition* anti-social.
So the correct phrasing is "How do we change the anti-social behavior into
something less anti-social which still pleases the stockholders?"
> Seriously, what will be your next analogy, pedophiles are the same as file
> sharers?
Paging Jack Valenti...
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