[111345] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Seth Mattinen)
Wed Feb 4 19:08:24 2009
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:08:13 -0800
From: Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <76C8FA39-19A6-4C5B-87DC-9789B39590EC@ianai.net>
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Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howard wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore
>> <patrick@ianai.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Except the RIRs won't give you another /48 when you have only used one
>>> trillion IP addresses.
>>
>> Of course they will! A /48 is only the equivalent of 65536 "networks"
>> (each
>> network being a /64). Presuming that ISPs allocate /64 networks to each
>> connected subscriber, then a /48 is only 65k subscribers, or say around a
>> maximum of 200k IP addresses in use at any one time (presuming no NAT
>> and an
>> average of 3-4 IP-based devices per subscriber)
>>
>> IPv4-style utilization ratios do make some sense under IPv6, but not
>> at the
>> address level - only at the network level.
>
> First, it was (mostly) a joke.
>
> Second, where did you get 4 users per /64? Are you planning to hand
> each cable modem a /64?
>
That was the generally accepted subnet practice last time I had a
discussion about it on the ipv6-ops list. I'm not an ISP, but I have a
/48 and each subnet is a /64. Some devices will refuse to work if you
subnet smaller than a /64. (Yes, poorly designed, etc.)
~Seth
