[111343] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Howard)
Wed Feb 4 18:56:55 2009
In-Reply-To: <bac8af1e16becc234ea9777f18a66d90@smtp.arbitraryconstant.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:56:44 -0800
From: Scott Howard <scott@doc.net.au>
To: Anthony Roberts <nanog@arbitraryconstant.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Anthony Roberts <nanog@arbitraryconstant.com
> wrote:
> It has been my experience that when you give someone a huge address space
> to play with (eg 10/8), they start doing things like using bits in the
> address as flags for things. Suddenly you find yourself using a prefix
> that should enough for a decent sized country in a half-rack.
Which is, of course, a core design philosophy for IPv6. Stateless autoconfig
relies on the fact that each network will be allocated 2^64 address.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net>wrote:
> Except the RIRs won't give you another /48 when you have only used one
> trillion IP addresses.
Of course they will! A /48 is only the equivalent of 65536 "networks" (each
network being a /64). Presuming that ISPs allocate /64 networks to each
connected subscriber, then a /48 is only 65k subscribers, or say around a
maximum of 200k IP addresses in use at any one time (presuming no NAT and an
average of 3-4 IP-based devices per subscriber)
IPv4-style utilization ratios do make some sense under IPv6, but not at the
address level - only at the network level.
Scott.
