[111229] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (TSG)
Mon Feb 2 11:22:06 2009
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:21:45 -0800
From: TSG <tglassey@earthlink.net>
To: Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
In-Reply-To: <200902021607.n12G7Br0006570@aurora.sol.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Joe Greco wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Trey Darley <trey@kingfisherops.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some colleagues and I are running into a bit of a problem. We've been
>>>> using RFC 1918 Class A space but due to the way subnets have been
>>>> allocated we are pondering the use of public IP space. As the
>>>> network in
>>>> question is strictly closed I don't anticipate any problems with
>>>> this as
>>>> the addresses would be unambiguous within our environment. I'm
>>>> curious if
>>>> anyone else is doing this.
>>>>
>>> I'd recommend against it, because even though the network is not
>>> connected to the Internet now you never know what the future holds.
>>> Even if it's never connected there are always things that seem to pop
>>> up and cause problems.
>>>
>>> Also, if you're address allocation policy has been so badly managed
>>> that you've run out of space in 10.0.0.0/8 adding more IPs to the pool
>>> isn't going to help for very long.
>>>
>> It will if you manage it better.
>>
>> Fortunately, there's a /12 and a /24 still left.
>>
>
> And a /16. (What's the /24?) And possibly some other space that is
> reserved-for-other-purposes.
>
>
>> A /12 is more space
>> than 99.99% of the networks on the Internet need, so why wouldn't that
>> suffice instead of using "real" space.
>>
>
> If you absolutely, positively *had* to allocate another /8, it'd probably
> be best to look through Class A space for networks that are not likely to
> ever appear on the Internet. ISTR a bunch of them are assigned to the US
> military, for example.
>
> ... JG
>
For which the unauthorized use of could be construed as a military
attack if those pirated addresses ever appear on the open Internet from
this ISP... No that's also a really bad idea. I find it really
troublesome to believe that the subnetting on a site was so complex that
it ate an entire /8. What I am betting is that for some reason that ISP
wants its addressing to be totally flat and not replicated.
Todd
