[109546] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: an over-the-top data center
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Sun Nov 30 23:05:15 2008
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <20081201035010.GH78345@burnout.tpb.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:05:01 -0500
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On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
> * patrick@ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore) [Mon 01 Dec 2008, 02:34 CET]:
>> On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-Fran=E7ois Mezei wrote:
>>> The advantage of this swedish data centre is that even if its =20
>>> location is well known, it is pretty hard to harm the building. =20
>>> You can't run a truck full of explosives into it for instance.
>>
>> Unfortunately, you also cannot run your own fiber there, colo =20
>> equipment there, visit it for any reason, etc.
>>
>> I was going to say 'this probably hinders customers adoption at =20
>> NetNod', but I know for a fact the "probably" is superfluous.
>
> I don't really get your reasoning here, Patrick. What were you =20
> going to do? Put your servers in the same racks as Netnod's =20
> switches? Rate their patch fiber management skills?
>
> I can buy the argument that there is one bit of infrastructure (a =20
> string of dark fiber) more between your router and the IX =20
> infrastructure than you will get in other locations but in this age =20=
> of people connecting remotely to IXPs all the time this seems pretty =20=
> minor, especially given the box full of advantages it gives the IXP =20=
> operator regarding facility security and having a very clear =20
> demarcation point.
I didn't say it would stop everyone. Of course some people will not =20
be deterred, but some absolutely have.
And most people are uninterested in the "box full of advantages it =20
gives the IXP operator". Further, I would submit the "box full of =20
advantages" are ephemeral at best, and arguably imaginary. Name =20
another major IXP anywhere on the planet that has ever had a single =20
issue NetNod's model would have avoided.
Now compare that to forcing every single participant to use unknown =20
fiber paths into an unknown facility. When are these fibers groomed, =20=
and onto which unknown paths? Which fiber maintenance schedules might =20=
impact me without my knowledge? Which construction projects elsewhere =20=
in the city might take me down and there's no way for me to even =20
predict that? Etc., etc.
I would prefer to take my chances with the known quantity, =20
thankyouverymuch. Feel free to do with your network as you please.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
P.S. The demarcation point thing is pure BS and you know it.
