[107918] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tomas L. Byrnes)
Wed Sep 17 22:18:14 2008
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:17:36 -0700
In-Reply-To: <48D14C01.6060508@rollernet.us>
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb@byrneit.net>
To: "Seth Mattinen" <sethm@rollernet.us>,
<nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Welcome the Internet version of "Too big to fail".
I like the corollary: If it's too big to fail, it's too big, and needs
to be broken up.
Otherwise, we get an oligarchy,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:sethm@rollernet.us]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:27 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
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> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:34:22 Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> >> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> >>> At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets=20
> for amazon's=20
> >>> IP space.
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> >> I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks=20
> >> doing it.
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> > Indeed. Google's e-mail servers get on the various DNSBL's=20
> frequently.
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> I occasionally get in to an argument with a customer who is=20
> trying to get mail from someone after a spam run came out of=20
> a google mail server and landed it on a DNSBL. The argument=20
> presented to me always boils down to "Google could never do=20
> anything wrong" or "Google is too big to do anything wrong"=20
> and I should immediately stop recommending any DNSBL that=20
> would dare to block Google.
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> ~Seth
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