[107928] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Thu Sep 18 10:45:29 2008
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <48D16396.8040309@everydns.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:42:13 -0400
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On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:07 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
>
>>> At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for
>>> amazon's IP space.
>> I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks
>> doing it.
>> Being big does not guarantee you ability to do Bad Things.
>
> I didn't imply that it did.
Actually, that is exactly what you did.
> But the ability to block without causing significant collateral
> damage becomes more and more difficult as IPs become less tied to
> the organization using them.
True (and rather obvious). Here's another obviously true statement:
As more & more spam comes from a set of IP addresses, it becomes less
& less likely you should accept e-mail from that space.
> That said, you're right that people are doing it now. Consensus
> from friends running their apps on EC2 is that you can't expect to
> be able to send any email from EC2 and hope for a high
> deliverability rate.
Not news to anyone who works on anti-spam or e-mail deliverability.
Perhaps the collateral damage will force Amazon to get things fixed
faster.
Or maybe not, but either way I don't see how you can blame someone for
not wanting to accept e-mail from EC2.
--
TTFN,
patrick
