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Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Tue Jun 24 18:29:26 2008

To: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:03:20 -0000."
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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:29:12 -0400
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:03:20 -0000, Paul Vixie said:
> Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu writes:
> 
> > One could argue that the "botnets for rent" business model is in more
> > widespread use than either EC2 or gridserver...
> > 
> > I'm unclear whether that statement needs a smiley or not...
> 
> i'd say that since EC2 won't be shut down when it's found out about, that
> you need a smiley.  "widespread use" is too narrow a term.  none of us
> expects white-hat e-commerce business to move into rented botnets, and

Umm.. Paul?  Take a reality check here - nobody actually *cares* where
white-hat services come from.

Which is bigger, the RBN or EC2's yearly revenues?

> rented botnets aren't all going to be in the same address space or ASN.

Hey - it ain't much of a "cloud" if it's all in one ASN.   :)

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